In the Rothko Room, You Might Burst Into Tears

Curator at Large Klaus Ottmann is author of  The Essential Mark Rothko. He’ll share his insights on the artist in a lecture tomorrow evening. Rothko is getting the spotlight in D.C. this season with John Logan’s Tony® Award winning play Red at Arena Stage. In anticipation, Klaus recently sat down with Phillips Communications Director Ann Greer to talk all things Rothko. The interview will be published in Arena Stage’s program book. Read a preview here.

Rothko Room at The Phillips Collection, Washington, D.C. Photo (c) Robert Lautman

Ann:  Why do you think Mark Rothko looms so large in the ranks of 20th century artists?

Klaus:  He was a unique artist in the way he dealt with color. He was very deeply involved in philosophy, religion, and he had an unusual ability to make his paintings communicate with the public. It was a well-known fact that people used to burst out in tears in front of his paintings, many times. I think he had a very emotional and very deep effect on the viewer – one very few artists have been able to have.

Ann:  How do you think that sort of “alchemy”–if I can use that word–how does that happen?

Klaus:  Well, of course, it didn’t happen overnight, he developed slowly into it. But, I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he was deeply religious, he was very philosophical. It had to do with the fact that he very strongly believed that his paintings should communicate–that there was a dialogue going on. It has also to do with his background in theater, he always wanted to become an actor, and he believed his works to be plays, he believed his works were created to be emotional conversations with the viewer–similar to what a play can do . . .

. . . he kept thinking about the three dimensional space. That’s something I think is very important. It’s very clear to me when I sit in the Rothko Room at The Phillips Collection.

Ann:  Of course, Klaus is talking about the Rothko Room at The Phillips Collection, which was actually the first public space devoted exclusively to work by Rothko. Rothko was very involved with Duncan Phillips in planning the dimensions, the light levels, the bench.

Klaus:  There you are very close to the paintings, there are four paintings, one on each wall of the room, you are surrounded by them. You sit on the bench that Rothko put in the room, and you can feel the presence of the paintings. It’s not just an optical, visual presence, but an emotional presence. This is what he always wanted. He wanted the paint to come out and almost hover in the space in front of you and to touch you. So, he was always thinking of this three dimensional space like a stage. In a way, the Rothko Room is almost like a stage with four sides–you are in it and a part of it, and you are interacting with the other actors; you become part of that emotional play that he created. So, he never gave up that idea; the theater was always there, and it was always the framework that he used to conceptualize and make his art. To me, that’s very, very important.

The Artist Sees Differently: Kurtis Ceppetelli

Kurtis Ceppetelli, Museum Assistant

Kurtis Ceppetelli. Photo by Claire Norman

How did you learn about the Phillips?

I learned about the Phillips about six years or so ago. I came to see a Milton Avery show. I remember it only being in the original house.

Do you feel you are inspired by the Phillips art?

I am very much inspired by the Phillips art. Since I’ve worked here, my work has changed to a stronger, more contemporary feel. I guess the art surrounding me at the Phillips has influenced me to make paintings that are new and fresh to help continue the evolution of art.

Do you listen to anything as you do your artwork?

I do listen to music, all types depending on the mood I want to create within the piece. Sometimes I watch/listen to movies, or I will turn on a basketball game or some other game. I use this to obtain outside substance that is transferred into the painting in some way. Continue reading

Kandinsky Plays the Music of the Soul

Artist Richard Chartier and Curator Elsa Smithgall discuss Kandinsky's Painting with White Border. Photo: Evelyn Gardett

Artist Richard Chartier recently participated in a public talk on Kandinsky’s Painting with White Border with Curator Elsa Smithgall. Here he reflects on the experience and shares his meditations on the painting. Learn more about Richard on his website

When I first agreed to do an artist talk/conversation in connection with the Kandinsky exhibition I was unsure. I didn’t feel I had much connection to his early work.

Having said that, when I arrived and actually saw the painting I was to discuss, Painting with the White Border, in person I was astounded. There is a certain magic to this work.

Kandinsky created so many sketches and preparatory works for this one painting, and it shows. He spoke frequently of his desire to “paint the color of sound.” His initial drawings gave me the impression of graphic scores a contemporary composer might create for a piece of music. He thought of these shapes and colors and forms as elements in a symphony. It truly is a work that pulls you in and moves you around in a continuous swirl.

After talking with the curator Elsa Smithgall for almost two hours preparing our discussion, I went to see the Rothko Room. I spent some contemplative time there and then returned to sit in front of Painting with the White Border. I found myself having distinctly different but similar synaesthetic reactions. In both the Rothko paintings and this swirl of a painting by Kandinsky I found myself being pulled in and thinking about sound. Whereas the Rothkos were sumptuous understated drones, the Kandinsky was a musical tempest, a wild symphony for the eyes. The color, the density, the vibrant interactions make the surface of the painting almost uniform in its movement, but the one thing that keeps your eye moving back into the painting is that fascinating, almost undulating, white border.

Kandinsky wrote: “Color is the keyboard, the eye is the hammer. The soul is the piano with its many strings.” This painting knows exactly how to play the soul.

–Richard Chartier, artist